Beyond just the bullet points below, I realize there is a significant „eyeball test” factor that will figure into these decisions. Not to mention the subjective weights given for injury factors during the season. However, looking only at the resumes, how would you rank these teams?

I believe that if Purdue wins the conference tournament they should be in consideration for a #1 seed.

The other 3 teams should be solid #2 seeds if they were to win the conference tournament.

The runner up should be a #3 seed.

The teams that lose in the semi finals should be #4 seeds.

My rankings based on what I see above and NOT taking into account injuries.

1. Purdue

2. MSU (OOC loses were on the road to teams who were highly ranked at the time.)

3. Ohio State

4. Wisky     (I will put them 4th because ALL there good wins were at home. you dont play at home from here on out.)

Just my thoughts but you asked.

Michigan State lost to Florida on a neutral court. Not awful, but not a game they should lose.

They did lose at two tough venues in Austin and Chapel Hill, but I don’t particularly care where those teams were ranked at the time. Losing @Texas is not a big deal, but losing @UNC is a bad loss.

The Spartans had one noteworthy win on the road this year, and it came @Purdue with no Hummel in one of the uglier games of the Big 10 season.

MSU has 3 wins total against teams worthy of at large bids in the NCAA tournament (maybe 4 depending on how you view Illinois).

I respect your thoughts, but disagree.

P.S. Wisconsin did beat the ACC co-champs Maryland on a neutral court.

Yup Purdue deserves #1 still until they lose. Michigan State should be #4. The other 2 are interchangeable and IDC how ppl rank them

Answer.  The team with the best coach in the Big Ten who just choked away a title.  Goodbye Big Ten Title, Hello 4th place.

First visit from a boorish Spartan drone. Probably won’t be the last.

Thanks for the input.

WHO CARES!!!! 3 of those teams have a share of the BIG10 title and WISCONSIN IS NOT ONE OF THEM!! Stop trying to build up your team and make yourself feel better.

Yeah clown….the same team that played without their best player for 9 games…and still almost won at Purdue without him…slaughtered MSU without him….and had their worst loss on his first game back, on the road, as they tried to work him back into the lineup.

Had Leuer not gone down, UW would have won that game at Purdue and, at the very least would have been in a tie at the top.

Gee, how would the other leaders have done had they not played with their star for that length of time? Duh.

Additionally, UW played all the top teams twice and did not get Minn at home, or a very beatable Iowa on the road. The unbalanced schedule is one of the key reasons they finished one game back.

But keep spewing your ignorance. It’s entertaining.

All four are very solid teams who’s had key injuries at some point in the season.  Sorry unfortunately I think the committee factors in injuries in their selection since it’s part of basketball…

1.  Ohio State

2.  Wisconsin

3.  Purdue

4.  Michigan State

Scoot..how am I spewing ignorance?? I just spoke the truth.Wisconsin is the only team of those 4 without a championship. Who cares about the resumes of the 4?? They will all get top 5 seeds in the tourney.

If you don’t care, why are you posting here? You read the title of the thread and tought you’d enter and post because you don’t care?

It seems to me that all 4 teams are very evenly matched and I am interested in hearing what a variety of fans have to say about the topic.

Did I miss a Trevon Hughes or Jason Bohannon injury at some point this season?  Because both those guys were more highly honored in the All-Big Ten rankings than Leuer.  Don’t get me wrong, Leuer is a pretty good player, but he was named HM by both coaches and media, while Trevon Hughes was 2nd Team and All-Defensive while Bohannon was 3rd Team.  Don’t try to put the Jon Leuer injury on the same level as MSU losing Lucas, or OSU losing Turner, or Purdue losing Hummel – all of whom were named to the All-Big Ten first team.

Wisconsin had their chances this season – and failed to win a share of the regular season title.  The Badgers suffered from an injury to one of their best players – much like the three co-champions did.

Had Leuer not gone down, UW would have won that game at Purdue and, at the very least would have been in a tie at the top.

If you really want to play that game, OSU would have won @ Butler and @ Michigan  with Turner, and would have won @ Minnesota if Turner had been at full strength in that game.  That puts the Bucks at 27-4, 16-2 in the Big Ten and still champions over Wisconsin in the „coulda, woulda” fantasy standings.

But you know, I don’t really want to play „coulda, shoulda, woulda.”  I prefer the actual results, where OSU, Purdue, and MSU all finished 14-4 and Wisconsin didn’t.  Blame the injuries we all suffered, blame the unbalanced schedule (though Purdue managed to make it through 6 games vs the top 4 just like Wiscy did…) or find something else to blame if it makes you feel better.  In the end, does it really change the standings?  Your team is at full strength now – make your statement in the BTT and Big Dance.

I basically agree with your rankings looking at just the resumes.  However, it is foolish as I’m sure you know to simply look at wins and losses in a vacuum and not judge them in context.  The committee will take these resumes, put them in context, add in the results of the BTT (at least as far as who does or does not make the Final,) and then make their decisions on each team’s seeding.  It will be what it will be.

Probably had at least something to do with him missing half the conference season. Maybe?

Anyways, this thread is not supposed to be about subjective assessments of injuries. It is also not about regurgitating the fact that Wisconsin finished with one more loss than the other three during an unbalanced conference schedule. It is about OVERALL resumes, which include non conference games.

Anyways, this thread is not supposed to be about subjective assessments of injuries. It is also not about regurgitating the fact that Wisconsin finished with one more loss than the other three during an unbalanced conference schedule. It is about OVERALL resumes, which include non conference games

all subjective.  The selection committee will look at the resumes very subjectively, adjusting and allowing for things like unbalanced schedules (but again, why was the unbalanced schedule more unfair for Wiscy than it was for Purdue?) and injuries.  The OVERALL resume is about a lot more than a list of wins and losses – and you should know better.

However, it is foolish as I’m sure you know to simply look at wins and losses in a vacuum and not judge them in context.  The committee will take these resumes, put them in context, add in the results of the BTT (at least as far as who does or does not make the Final,) and then make their decisions on each team’s seeding.  It will be what it will be.

All good points.

I was really just hoping to keep the blowing of smoke to a minimum in this thread. When you start talking about „we would have won this if not for that” it gets pretty hazy. I do it myself, so im not calling anyone out that offers such opinions with sincerity.

In the end, Wisconsin did blow their chance at a share of the regular season crown, but it was just a one game difference. Something that they more than made up for with impressive non conference wins in my opinion. They also had the worst loss of the group @Green Bay.

If you don’t care, why are you posting here? You read the title of the thread and tought you’d enter and post because you don’t care?I posted because I am tired of Wisconsin fans whining about their team not getting enough respect and that they should have a better seed than Michigan State in the NCAA tourney. Wisconsin can still win the BIG10 tourney and earn a better seed and more respect going into the NCAA…but lets wait until then.

Read the article on CBS Sports

Rank these resumes: Big 10 top 4 seeds

Beyond just the bullet points below, I realize there is a significant „eyeball test” factor that will figure into these decisions. Not to mention the subjective weights given for injury factors during the season. However, looking only at the resumes, how would you rank these teams?

I believe that if Purdue wins the conference tournament they should be in consideration for a #1 seed.

The other 3 teams should be solid #2 seeds if they were to win the conference tournament.

The runner up should be a #3 seed.

The teams that lose in the semi finals should be #4 seeds.

My rankings based on what I see above and NOT taking into account injuries.

1. Purdue

2. MSU (OOC loses were on the road to teams who were highly ranked at the time.)

3. Ohio State

4. Wisky     (I will put them 4th because ALL there good wins were at home. you dont play at home from here on out.)

Just my thoughts but you asked.

Michigan State lost to Florida on a neutral court. Not awful, but not a game they should lose.

They did lose at two tough venues in Austin and Chapel Hill, but I don’t particularly care where those teams were ranked at the time. Losing @Texas is not a big deal, but losing @UNC is a bad loss.

The Spartans had one noteworthy win on the road this year, and it came @Purdue with no Hummel in one of the uglier games of the Big 10 season.

MSU has 3 wins total against teams worthy of at large bids in the NCAA tournament (maybe 4 depending on how you view Illinois).

I respect your thoughts, but disagree.

P.S. Wisconsin did beat the ACC co-champs Maryland on a neutral court.

Yup Purdue deserves #1 still until they lose. Michigan State should be #4. The other 2 are interchangeable and IDC how ppl rank them

Answer.  The team with the best coach in the Big Ten who just choked away a title.  Goodbye Big Ten Title, Hello 4th place.

First visit from a boorish Spartan drone. Probably won’t be the last.

Thanks for the input.

WHO CARES!!!! 3 of those teams have a share of the BIG10 title and WISCONSIN IS NOT ONE OF THEM!! Stop trying to build up your team and make yourself feel better.

Yeah clown….the same team that played without their best player for 9 games…and still almost won at Purdue without him…slaughtered MSU without him….and had their worst loss on his first game back, on the road, as they tried to work him back into the lineup.

Had Leuer not gone down, UW would have won that game at Purdue and, at the very least would have been in a tie at the top.

Gee, how would the other leaders have done had they not played with their star for that length of time? Duh.

Additionally, UW played all the top teams twice and did not get Minn at home, or a very beatable Iowa on the road. The unbalanced schedule is one of the key reasons they finished one game back.

But keep spewing your ignorance. It’s entertaining.

All four are very solid teams who’s had key injuries at some point in the season.  Sorry unfortunately I think the committee factors in injuries in their selection since it’s part of basketball…

1.  Ohio State

2.  Wisconsin

3.  Purdue

4.  Michigan State

Scoot..how am I spewing ignorance?? I just spoke the truth.Wisconsin is the only team of those 4 without a championship. Who cares about the resumes of the 4?? They will all get top 5 seeds in the tourney.

If you don’t care, why are you posting here? You read the title of the thread and tought you’d enter and post because you don’t care?

It seems to me that all 4 teams are very evenly matched and I am interested in hearing what a variety of fans have to say about the topic.

Did I miss a Trevon Hughes or Jason Bohannon injury at some point this season?  Because both those guys were more highly honored in the All-Big Ten rankings than Leuer.  Don’t get me wrong, Leuer is a pretty good player, but he was named HM by both coaches and media, while Trevon Hughes was 2nd Team and All-Defensive while Bohannon was 3rd Team.  Don’t try to put the Jon Leuer injury on the same level as MSU losing Lucas, or OSU losing Turner, or Purdue losing Hummel – all of whom were named to the All-Big Ten first team.

Wisconsin had their chances this season – and failed to win a share of the regular season title.  The Badgers suffered from an injury to one of their best players – much like the three co-champions did.

Had Leuer not gone down, UW would have won that game at Purdue and, at the very least would have been in a tie at the top.

If you really want to play that game, OSU would have won @ Butler and @ Michigan  with Turner, and would have won @ Minnesota if Turner had been at full strength in that game.  That puts the Bucks at 27-4, 16-2 in the Big Ten and still champions over Wisconsin in the „coulda, woulda” fantasy standings.

But you know, I don’t really want to play „coulda, shoulda, woulda.”  I prefer the actual results, where OSU, Purdue, and MSU all finished 14-4 and Wisconsin didn’t.  Blame the injuries we all suffered, blame the unbalanced schedule (though Purdue managed to make it through 6 games vs the top 4 just like Wiscy did…) or find something else to blame if it makes you feel better.  In the end, does it really change the standings?  Your team is at full strength now – make your statement in the BTT and Big Dance.

I basically agree with your rankings looking at just the resumes.  However, it is foolish as I’m sure you know to simply look at wins and losses in a vacuum and not judge them in context.  The committee will take these resumes, put them in context, add in the results of the BTT (at least as far as who does or does not make the Final,) and then make their decisions on each team’s seeding.  It will be what it will be.

Probably had at least something to do with him missing half the conference season. Maybe?

Anyways, this thread is not supposed to be about subjective assessments of injuries. It is also not about regurgitating the fact that Wisconsin finished with one more loss than the other three during an unbalanced conference schedule. It is about OVERALL resumes, which include non conference games.

Anyways, this thread is not supposed to be about subjective assessments of injuries. It is also not about regurgitating the fact that Wisconsin finished with one more loss than the other three during an unbalanced conference schedule. It is about OVERALL resumes, which include non conference games

all subjective.  The selection committee will look at the resumes very subjectively, adjusting and allowing for things like unbalanced schedules (but again, why was the unbalanced schedule more unfair for Wiscy than it was for Purdue?) and injuries.  The OVERALL resume is about a lot more than a list of wins and losses – and you should know better.

However, it is foolish as I’m sure you know to simply look at wins and losses in a vacuum and not judge them in context.  The committee will take these resumes, put them in context, add in the results of the BTT (at least as far as who does or does not make the Final,) and then make their decisions on each team’s seeding.  It will be what it will be.

All good points.

I was really just hoping to keep the blowing of smoke to a minimum in this thread. When you start talking about „we would have won this if not for that” it gets pretty hazy. I do it myself, so im not calling anyone out that offers such opinions with sincerity.

In the end, Wisconsin did blow their chance at a share of the regular season crown, but it was just a one game difference. Something that they more than made up for with impressive non conference wins in my opinion. They also had the worst loss of the group @Green Bay.

If you don’t care, why are you posting here? You read the title of the thread and tought you’d enter and post because you don’t care?I posted because I am tired of Wisconsin fans whining about their team not getting enough respect and that they should have a better seed than Michigan State in the NCAA tourney. Wisconsin can still win the BIG10 tourney and earn a better seed and more respect going into the NCAA…but lets wait until then.

Read the article on CBS Sports

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